Curse

stamenflicker · Sep 21, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Personally, I like variety. I only have one toon that I work through titles with, or care anything about getting titles on. The rest of my toons are just fun to play with.

So if I complete the hero handbook on my other 9 toons, what? I get a book that's going to give me 2,500 reputation points that I don't care about? Seems sucky to me. At the very least, the books should be account based so I can pass them off to my primary toon when I work the game with my other professions.

Is that too much to ask? Heck, it might even make for some fun economic games if they books were fully transferable... I mean how much is 25 hours of someone's time and 2,500 rep points really worth? I doubt seriously people are going to be paying more than 50k a book for it, since you can farm it easy enough.

Even if they don't open it all the way up, they should at least make the books account based so you can put reputation points on the character you want them on... it is afterall, our time and our characters, and our reputation. Just because I enjoy playing several different professions, doesn't mean I shouldn't get to use my rep where I want.

Mohnzh · Sep 21, 2007, 07:56 PM // 19:56

I'm sorry, but I don't think that makes any sense. You don't get a college degree because your brother graduated from college. You don't get a job because your cousin has a great resume. Why would you get reputation on one character when it was a totally different character that did all the work? To make them transferable might make a couple of people happy, but it would make the whole idea senseless and ruin it for the rest of us. If it's going to be called reputation, it should at least behave like reputation. It's garnered based on a single character's actions, and cannot be "transferred".

Phoenix Tears · Sep 21, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

i#m for it, would reduce the senseless scare off of player's, which play with more than 1 character or have no main character at all.

The reasons why the books should be account based are good enough and i think ,there exists no good reason versus it.

signet

PS: this thread is in the wong section ...

CyberMesh0 · Sep 21, 2007, 09:42 PM // 21:42

account based a slim maybe, but don't even toss a stick at fully transferrable.

Razorblade Monkey · Sep 22, 2007, 06:18 AM // 06:18

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Originally Posted by Mohnzh

I'm sorry, but I don't think that makes any sense. You don't get a college degree because your brother graduated from college. You don't get a job because your cousin has a great resume. Why would you get reputation on one character when it was a totally different character that did all the work? To make them transferable might make a couple of people happy, but it would make the whole idea senseless and ruin it for the rest of us. If it's going to be called reputation, it should at least behave like reputation. It's garnered based on a single character's actions, and cannot be "transferred".

op - /notsigned
above quote - /signed

This is in essence the "make survivor/cartographer etc account based" banter all over again. If toon A did it and toon B didn't, there is no logical reason toon B should benefit from toon A's efforts. The only reason people would want this is the same reason people buy ebay gold: they don't wanna work for something they want...

Mohnzh, you saved my lil fingers alot of typing, as you pretty much summed it up perfectly =o)

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Originally Posted by stamenflicker

Personally, I like variety. I only have one toon that I work through titles with, or care anything about getting titles on. The rest of my toons are just fun to play with.

So if I complete the hero handbook on my other 9 toons, what? I get a book that's going to give me 2,500 reputation points that I don't care about? Seems sucky to me. At the very least, the books should be account based so I can pass them off to my primary toon when I work the game with my other professions.

Is that too much to ask? Heck, it might even make for some fun economic games if they books were fully transferable... I mean how much is 25 hours of someone's time and 2,500 rep points really worth? I doubt seriously people are going to be paying more than 50k a book for it, since you can farm it easy enough.

Even if they don't open it all the way up, they should at least make the books account based so you can put reputation points on the character you want them on... it is afterall, our time and our characters, and our reputation. Just because I enjoy playing several different professions, doesn't mean I shouldn't get to use my rep where I want.

Dude, if you're gonna do ALL quests and ALL dungeons in EotN to fill the books, you aren't just having fun with that character, sounds more like a secondary main. You'll be at lvl5 rep of most of those races by the time you've filled the books, so you've already done quite a bit of work on a title u "don't care about", so the 2,500 rep you get from the books is pretty small compared to the rest of your wasted effort on that title if you don't care about it so much. If you farm for 1 hour in an explorable, you'll get anywhere from 1500-6000 rep (-/+), so why bother with the books? And the idea of BUYING rep books off others is just seriously f*cked up, not even going there... Can I buy your genuine friendship for 50k? (note: I said GENUINE) =oP

Boops · Sep 22, 2007, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by Razorblade Monkey

The only reason people would want this is the same reason people buy ebay gold: they don't wanna work for something they want...

wait, so people don't work for (real) money anymore?

Razorblade Monkey · Sep 22, 2007, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by Boops

wait, so people don't work for (real) money anymore?

Did I say irl? No... In any case though, I said people don't WANT to work for things they want. Even though I was referring to ingame GW, irl people work through necessity, not because they want to (in 99.9% of cases)...

mahmoud_ahmadinejad · Sep 22, 2007, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by Boops

wait, so people don't work for (real) money anymore?

freekedoutfish · Sep 22, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Let me understand you...

Complete all main quests and main dungeons on your (for instance) elemental. Then give those books to your (for instance) Necromancer who hasnt even done one quests or one dungeon and let him trade it in for 2,500 rep points each.

...hell no!!

How does that make sense?

Your elemental is the one who has played through the PvE storyline and accomplished those quests and dungeons. The entire point of those handbooks is to show your progress and the effort you put into GWEN.

Why exactly should your necromancer reep the rewards?

This is PvE and the entire point is that you play through the storylines to unlock stuff. Why even bother taking a second character through GWEN if you dont want to play the quest and dungeons again?

Me thinks its because you want the armor????????

Just play the flaming game if you want to unlock stuff. Besides mate, you make more points in 30 minutes of bounty farming then it would take to complete all the quests and dungeons again and hand the books in.

If all you want are reputation points, then go out and bounty farm them! Its faster!!!!!

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 23, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

/signed

No, it isn't logical, but this grinding for faction is VERY ANNOYING.

MithranArkanere · Sep 24, 2007, 12:09 AM // 00:09

It DOES make sense.
You won't get the grades of a brother, but having a brother in a school or college helps getting in.
You won't get the salary of you father, but your father working on some companies many times help getting in.

It could be done like this:
- Complete a book.
- Give away the book.
**If your rank<maximum, you earn the points.
**If your rank=maximum, you are either given a 'Recommendation' item, usable by other characters of the same account, or the next character that talks to the same NPC, will get the chance of earning the points instead:
"Ah, <npc-name> we have been talked about you by some influential figure around here, we have been expecting you to give you this."
You eaned xx.xxx y rank points.

kazjun · Sep 24, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Account based? Sure. Then I can finish the book with all my pve chars and give it to the main char working for titles.

I don't really care though. If they don't, then that saves me the effort of having to play GWEN with my other chars anyway. With so much grind on, there's no real point in playing GWEN with more than one char. Well, unless you don't mind having several mediocre characters versus one decent character.

And yeah, sadly vanqing the one area over and over is the best method of getting points. Braindead and boring, but true. Guess the vanguard shouldn't complain about only getting 3 explorables, cause after you get done with the campaign each faction reduces to one zone anyway (fells, magus, snowman, sac).

Pompeyfan · Sep 24, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Let me understand you...

Complete all main quests and main dungeons on your (for instance) elemental. Then give those books to your (for instance) Necromancer who hasnt even done one quests or one dungeon and let him trade it in for 2,500 rep points each.

...hell no!!

How does that make sense?

Your elemental is the one who has played through the PvE storyline and accomplished those quests and dungeons. The entire point of those handbooks is to show your progress and the effort you put into GWEN.

Why exactly should your necromancer reep the rewards?

This is PvE and the entire point is that you play through the storylines to unlock stuff. Why even bother taking a second character through GWEN if you dont want to play the quest and dungeons again?

Me thinks its because you want the armor????????

Just play the flaming game if you want to unlock stuff. Besides mate, you make more points in 30 minutes of bounty farming then it would take to complete all the quests and dungeons again and hand the books in.

If all you want are reputation points, then go out and bounty farm them! Its faster!!!!!

You contradict yourself - you said that the reputation is to show the time and effort YOU put into GW:EN - well if thats the case then it makes sense to make it account based as it shows the players effort, the toons themselves do sod all afterall, it's all the players work not their's.

Personnally I'd prefer it account based as I need 10 maxed titles to get a rainbow phoenix and I never bothered about titles before as grinding to get them is so bloody boring orpointless (skill hunter should be account based too - whats the point capping elites that a character won't or can't use? the idea is to show that someone has capped every elite it shouldn't matter on which character).

BTW I don't give a toss about armours so don't need rep points for that, and only want the phoenix as I've heard it's the only pet that grows to a decent size and the rest are so pathetic (especially the spider - should be like a FoW cave spider, not something little miss muffet could squash) - if the others were a good size I wouldn't need to grind for these poxy titles.

freekedoutfish · Sep 24, 2007, 08:07 AM // 08:07

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Originally Posted by Pompeyfan

BTW I don't give a toss about armours so don't need rep points for that, and only want the phoenix as I've heard it's the only pet that grows to a decent size and the rest are so pathetic (especially the spider - should be like a FoW cave spider, not something little miss muffet could squash) - if the others were a good size I wouldn't need to grind for these poxy titles.

Youve pretty much admited you personally only want this, to help max those titles out so you can get a pheonix. Grow up!

There are far easier ways to make 10 max titles, the using the reputation ones.

Exploration, protector, guardian, skill hunting! Those are all alot easier. Go do them if you want 10 max titles.

But your just being purely lazey here. There is no priority on maxing the reptuation titles. They dont add anything critical to the game. You just want this to max titles easier.

And try to understand this...

...this is PvE, and the idea is that your characters progress is individual to them. It doesnt matter whether one person is controlling them and another 8. That individual character is seperate from your other characters and moving through that storyline themselves.

They have had no help from your other characters.
Your other characters have had no input on their progress.

There is no acceptable reason why a completely seperate character should be able to use the progress of another, and get access to the handbook to exchange for points.

Plus GWEN does not take a staggering amount of effort to finished and find all the dungeons and quests. If your are that lazey that you cant be bothered to replay an extremely short storyline, then OMG.

Uber Mass · Sep 24, 2007, 08:38 AM // 08:38

/not signed

herobook is for what a certain char has done... cant give it away to another char who hasnt done squat...

Etta · Sep 24, 2007, 08:49 AM // 08:49

Bah!, might as well make all titles account base.
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william1975 · Sep 24, 2007, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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I understand the desire to be able to do this,

but as others say it doesnt make sense,

The books are there to record your progress as a hero, you hand them over to increase your reputation with a particular group.

People have tried to imply that you can compare this to gaining things in real life by using family/friends connections

This is not a fair comparison. Yes you may be abel to get some things through this in real life but your reputaion is not formed by your familes or friends reputation. Your grandfather fighting in WWII and being a great hero does not make you a hero, publishing a book about your grandfather will not increase your reputation as a fighter and hero, it will increase his.

On another line this is also similar to say a thief stealing someones memoirs then going to a publisher and trying to pretend its his life story. Somehow i think that when a five foot, 20 year old white female tries to pass themselves off as a 6 foot 50 year old black male it isnt going to wash, as would be the case with my mesmer trying to pretend she was my paragon.

What happens when someone tries to pull off identy fraud in real life, well they are caught, their reputation goes down the pan, and they can be fined and imprisoned. Somehow i don't think i want that to happen to my Mesmer main character.

The OP suggestion is flawed, it subverts the whole notion behind these books,

now if this was a typical role playing environment and there was a thieves guild then maybe this could be done to increse reputation with them, but as there is none and no mechanics within the game with regards to this being done I don't see why it should be considered.

After playing games like Baldur's Gate i would want to see a chance of the identy theft not working, so if you did try to pass yourself off as a pargon when you are in fact a mesmer you have a chance of beign caught, this would mean there would have to be a attribute for all characters to perform nefarious deeds, such as pickpocketing, breaking into chests (as we have lockpicks already that isnt actually to far out of range of reality),

With GW winding down to be replaced by GW2 I can't see this being added. as it would be one hell of a major update.

BlueNovember · Sep 24, 2007, 10:35 AM // 10:35

Gameplay > Realism.

You shouldn't care how realistic is, at least on something this trivial. You're playing a game with crazy spells, armour made out of dead squirrels, and teleports.

From a gameplay perspective, playing through on other characters then wasting the books on titles you will never use nor have need for is somewhat irritating, and really is not necessary.
Only problem I could see would be the new market for completed hero books; you can't tell from the icon if a book is completed or not.

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With GW winding down to be replaced by GW2 I can;t see this being added. as it would be one hell of a major update.

Yup, stopping an item from being customised is oh-so hard for the design team ^_^.

Pompeyfan · Sep 24, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Youve pretty much admited you personally only want this, to help max those titles out so you can get a pheonix. Grow up!

There are far easier ways to make 10 max titles, the using the reputation ones.

Exploration, protector, guardian, skill hunting! Those are all alot easier. Go do them if you want 10 max titles.

But your just being purely lazey here. There is no priority on maxing the reptuation titles. They dont add anything critical to the game. You just want this to max titles easier.

And try to understand this...

...this is PvE, and the idea is that your characters progress is individual to them. It doesnt matter whether one person is controlling them and another 8. That individual character is seperate from your other characters and moving through that storyline themselves.

They have had no help from your other characters.
Your other characters have had no input on their progress.

There is no acceptable reason why a completely seperate character should be able to use the progress of another, and get access to the handbook to exchange for points.

Plus GWEN does not take a staggering amount of effort to finished and find all the dungeons and quests. If your are that lazey that you cant be bothered to replay an extremely short storyline, then OMG.

Nothing to do with being lazy, more that the grinding is so frigging boring and repetative - this is a game ffs, it's suppoosed to be fun - where's the fun in mindlessly having to do the same things over and over? I'd have no problem with it being character based if it were possible to max the titles by just playing the PvE storyline and just doing each quest the once on each character - but that isn't the case as the only way to get anywhere is to endlessly clear the same frigging areas of the same frigging things - you can't even redo the quests that give the points. I looked at skill hunter and that would be OK to do - if a) I could afford it (I don't farm for the too boring reason) and B) I can't see the point in capping elites a character cannot use (My main character is a ranger so whats the point in capping primary attribute skills from other professions like soul reaping, strength or divine favour for exampl - just a total waste of time and gold - especially when I've already capped them on other characters who can actually use them).

Oh and my other characters do have an input if I get something useful on my warrior that my ranger can use I'll transfer it, as I will gold from quest rewards and even harder to get quest items and what about all the people using 55 monks to farm for ecto to buy FoW on a different character - isn't that the same thing? Or does everything each of your characters have only come from what that character earned (gold, items, armour) without help from what your other characters earned? I wonder how many people with FoW actually used the character it's on to earn all the gold, ecto, shards required to craft it - high end armour isn't necessary afterall and should be earned as it's a status symbol, so using your logic you shouldn't be allowed to transfer anything and each character should be totally independent and earn everything they have themselves.

racso · Sep 24, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by Mohnzh

I'm sorry, but I don't think that makes any sense. You don't get a college degree because your brother graduated from college. You don't get a job because your cousin has a great resume. Why would you get reputation on one character when it was a totally different character that did all the work? To make them transferable might make a couple of people happy, but it would make the whole idea senseless and ruin it for the rest of us. If it's going to be called reputation, it should at least behave like reputation. It's garnered based on a single character's actions, and cannot be "transferred".

I see your point, but your example is not good at all, I won't get a college degree because my brother got one, wtf that is stupid, of course not. However this is totally different, is your time and you own all of your toons. I don't share your thoughts, however, is just your point of view isn't it?

Account based... /signed.